b) Agreed, BT 2.0 is faster than the number I gave.

c) Agreed, real world data over mobile networks is terribly slow – regardless of the hype about fast “next generation” technology. 180kbps is pretty good. I doubt I get better than 33.6kbps on T-mobile. But then, 5$ flat rate per month for “t-zones” is damn cheap.

d) Is there anything outside of Texas? I forgot. J/k.

e) Well, bluetooth with pc suite is easy, but I was offering an alternate because of your objection to pc suite.

I also have many devices that I can hook to an access point, but only one (my laptop) is mobile.

Here’s a challenge. Make a voip call to a free voip number. Put your phone next to a radio. See how long your battery lasts. My highest requirement for a phone is that one charge *must* get me through at least one day. Running GPRS over BT causes me to sometimes almost fully drain the battery in one day. I couldn’t imagine running wifi and gprs.

My 2c.

B) Most of the higher end Nokia phones ship with Bluetooth 2.0 which supports 2.1 Mbit/s (2.1 megabits = 0.2625 megabytes) in the real world: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#Bluetooth_2.0

C) 3G in the USA is mainly EVDO and EVDO Rev. A based technology which Nokia isn’t going to be using since they don’t do CDMA. EDGE, which isn’t 3G, is rated depending on the number of time slots used: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution but in my real world testing I usually never get more than 180 Kbits/s (180 kilobits = 0.0219726562 megabytes)

D) Why are we talking about America? Most of the phones Nokia makes are sold to Europe and Asia. They have genuine 3G access via HSDPA and are getting about 3.6 Mbit/s (3.6 megabits = 0.45 megabytes): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System

E) In the end what is easier for an end user? Connecting to an access point or configuring Dial Up Networking? …. Exactly

So while I do appreciate your arguments Geek, you have to admit, you even said yourself:

“I ran a 6600 with the generic modem device and windows dial up networking before pc suite support was as advanced as it is now. It was not easy but instructions are out there. as for the speed of 3g id be surprised if its faster than the latest bluetooth offering, but ill take your word for it.”

Why not make it as easy as connecting to an access point? The battery drain?

I have a lot more devices that I can hook up to a WiFi access point then devices I need to configure DUN.

In theory, 3G wireless networks are capable of throughput up to 384Kbps, which still puts them at the bottom end of 802.11b’s range. In practice, though, 3G isn’t available in the United States at all except in experimental deployments.

http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1577551

Q: What is the data throughput speed of a Bluetooth connection?
A: Bluetooth transfers data at a rate of 721 Kbps, which is from three to eight times the average speed of parallel and serial ports, respectively. This bandwidth is capable of transmitting voice, data, video and still images.

http://www.mobileinfo.com/Bluetooth/FAQ.htm#t5

GPRS Speeds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS

bluetooth is too slow for 3G.

as for not needing the pc suite for the connection, i still need the pc suite to install drivers so my computer knows what to do when it connects to my phone.