Comments on: Stop calling the specially formatted mobile websites on the iPhone applications!

By: Stefan Constantinescu

Stefan Constantinescu — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:17:45 +0000

typo fixed, thanks Varun

By: Varun

Varun — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:46:10 +0000

I agree.

Web Applications just cannot become mobile applications.

Iphone apps are insanely hyped.

A mistake ” an interview with Ganesh Silverman ”

Its Ganesh Sivaraman and not SilverMan

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:13:16 +0000

Is an Apple update going to add a 3mp camera with autofocus? Or do you have to perform the update with a Mac to get those features?

By: Will Park

Will Park — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 07:24:09 +0000

Apple update via iTunes. That’s all I’m going to say.

By: Apocalypso

Apocalypso — Fri, 17 Aug 2007 06:26:52 +0000

Well, its hard to say something about phone that lacks file manager for example phone that lacks cut/copy/paste feature or isn’t capable to process crappy MMS format or record video in 3gp format at least, or phone that has BT but can’t send a files over it, will stop it here as I haven’t enough time to count all cons, crap is crap and that’s it.

We all know that iPhone is nothing but the crap, but general public won’t know that and most of them won’t even realize that when they actually buy one.

The iPhone brings nothing new to the market, except multi touch of course, actually, if it brings anything new, its the look, and honestly, slim and sleek design has been seen before, and it will be done again, Prada is nice example and it going to be even better and better equipped phone with more features.

Price, size, weight, height, width, design, brand, OS, who really care, features before all and in terms of features it simply sucks, it’s a piece of **** with nice screen over it and extremely good marketing behind it.. . .

Cheers,
Teo

By: Will Park

Will Park — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:33:22 +0000

I agree, the iPhone is not revolutionary because of web sites that we like to refer to as web “applications.” Whatever, that’s just one way to deal with the closed system that Apple is so adamant at keeping closed – or so it seems.

But, until Apple releases (if they ever decide to, an SDK) more and more hackers/developers will be opening up the iPhone to native applications.

By: mark

mark — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:05:20 +0000

What is an application? Seriously.

I’d love it if iPhone had an SDK and locally-based apps (and I’m certain it will someday), but I don’t see why code executing on a website and providing me a useful UI and functional service is not an “application”. Unless you define an application as something that provides a service when not interfaced to something external to the device executing it. Or you define an application as something that has the ability to fully utilize all the resources of the device it executes on.

But then why these distinctions (for which I can find counter-examples)?

Separately, for those readers who may not know, the WebKit browser engine used by Nokia, was birthed by and most heavily supported by Apple. Surfin Safari is a blog by David Hyatt, who is an Apple employee.

By: Guest

Guest — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:49:07 +0000

I agree. The iPhone badly needs an SDK and some real, actual apps! I want the iPhone to use as my work phone but it just can’t do what my Q can in terms of business.

http://www.iphailure.com

By: DBL

DBL — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:45:36 +0000

You’re right, these web sites are not real applications. That’s just marketing crap. But that really has nothing to do with whether or not the iPhone is revolutionary. Nor does whether it is ‘open’ or ‘closed’. It is entirely possible to believe that iPhone is revolutionary while agreeing that it is a closed system and that third party sites are not applications. In fact, Apple’s claims that it is ‘revolutionary’ don’t even reference either openness or third-party stuff.

Nice sleight-of-hand there, but you are not really talking about what you want us to believe you are talking about. In that way, you are pretty much exactly like Apple when they call websites ‘applications’.

By: JonnyBruha

JonnyBruha — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:38:57 +0000

S60 and iPhone users are more alike than they think, and this is one of those strong points that bring that out.

Web apps (or “weblets” as I call them) are a great idea on a phone like the iPhone because of it’s entire build and orientation towards using the web browser, but it really restricts the device if that’s the ONLY kind of applications it can run without heavy hacking. On the other side, applications for S60v3 are great (granted, a pain for developers now with the state of Symbian Signed), but it’d be really nice to have a larger base of quick weblets to perform small tasks while browsing.

The iPhone brought on a lot of these nice weblets to use on S60 devices which can be opened in another browsing window without the browser crashing, but it seems development as a whole when focusing on weblets with S60 in mind is really low on support. I’d love to see more Calculator apps and other little tools available like this and formatted to work in the S60 browser, not in the iPhone’s browser with that black gloss color scheme in every single one.

Speaking of browsers, another point worth mentioning is that, like the S60 browser, the iPhone’s browser will close the music app as well if a large enough website is opened. As I said, we’re all more alike than we think.