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	<title>Comments on: IntoMobile&#8217;s 3G vs EDGE webpage load-time shootout &#8211; just how slow is the iPhone?</title>
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		<title>By: San</title>
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		<dc:creator>San</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HTC Mogul running Opera 9.5 beta: shopbop in 18 secs, calbar in 15, and unfortunately, intomobile didn&#039;t finish loading because my crappy phone ran out of memory (shoulda run the test on the HTC Touch series).  Still, the numbers on Sprint EVDO Rev.A are much more impressive than Safari Mobile on iPhone (and let&#039;s keep in mind that even if you were on AT&amp;T&#039;s 3G network, their coverage is so poor that you would hardly ever get decent speeds).  Oh, and for you techies, RSSI averaged -64 to -68dBm, DRC averaged 1.2 to 2.4mbps.

I never use IE anymore... just a horrible experience.  I sometimes use Skyfire due to flash support and rendering speeds, but I often have trouble communicating with their server.  And I find Opera to be smoother with a slightly easier-to-use UI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTC Mogul running Opera 9.5 beta: shopbop in 18 secs, calbar in 15, and unfortunately, intomobile didn&#8217;t finish loading because my crappy phone ran out of memory (shoulda run the test on the HTC Touch series).  Still, the numbers on Sprint EVDO Rev.A are much more impressive than Safari Mobile on iPhone (and let&#8217;s keep in mind that even if you were on AT&amp;T&#8217;s 3G network, their coverage is so poor that you would hardly ever get decent speeds).  Oh, and for you techies, RSSI averaged -64 to -68dBm, DRC averaged 1.2 to 2.4mbps.</p>
<p>I never use IE anymore&#8230; just a horrible experience.  I sometimes use Skyfire due to flash support and rendering speeds, but I often have trouble communicating with their server.  And I find Opera to be smoother with a slightly easier-to-use UI.</p>
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		<title>By: Alek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Good site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Good site.</p>
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		<title>By: rapidshare</title>
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		<dc:creator>rapidshare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More information for this topic see at http://fileshunt.com. Maybe it will change your point of view.
If you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://fileshunt.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;search&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More information for this topic see at <a href="http://fileshunt.com" rel="nofollow">http://fileshunt.com</a>. Maybe it will change your point of view.<br />
If you can <a href="http://fileshunt.com" rel="nofollow">search</a></p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In your vid, signal strength on the Tilt was at 2 bars, but signal strength on the iPhone is 5 bars! Um, do you think that would skew the results?

Also, others have mentioned that straight UMTS and EDGE won&#039;t differ that much and Pocket IE is a dog. I would have preferred to see the Tilt at full bars, and a little H displayed before you tested. What you&#039;ve done is take a rabbit, bound it&#039;s legs, starved it for a week, and then raced it against the fastest turtle.

Also, Shopbop has lots of images. If iphone uses a proxy to strip out image detail, while Tilt is downloading the entire image, the test is unfair.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, Apple fanboys, the iPhone is a totally incredible, beautiful, easy to use, device. The Tilt is a very powerful, highly functional, open, device. They&#039;re both great. But this face-off smells a little.

That said, what you show approximates the out of the box experience for the mass market. The iPhone and Safari do make a remarkably good mobile experience, where even as a Tilt owner, I can&#039;t ever recommend my phone to non-tech enthusiasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In your vid, signal strength on the Tilt was at 2 bars, but signal strength on the iPhone is 5 bars! Um, do you think that would skew the results?</p>
<p>Also, others have mentioned that straight UMTS and EDGE won&#8217;t differ that much and Pocket IE is a dog. I would have preferred to see the Tilt at full bars, and a little H displayed before you tested. What you&#8217;ve done is take a rabbit, bound it&#8217;s legs, starved it for a week, and then raced it against the fastest turtle.</p>
<p>Also, Shopbop has lots of images. If iphone uses a proxy to strip out image detail, while Tilt is downloading the entire image, the test is unfair.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, Apple fanboys, the iPhone is a totally incredible, beautiful, easy to use, device. The Tilt is a very powerful, highly functional, open, device. They&#8217;re both great. But this face-off smells a little.</p>
<p>That said, what you show approximates the out of the box experience for the mass market. The iPhone and Safari do make a remarkably good mobile experience, where even as a Tilt owner, I can&#8217;t ever recommend my phone to non-tech enthusiasts.</p>
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		<title>By: E@zyVG</title>
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		<dc:creator>E@zyVG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yups, Safari on iPhone is cool, and Opera is excellent on WM devices, but I am all for Opera Mini for now on my HTC Artemis.

Waiting for Opera 9 now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yups, Safari on iPhone is cool, and Opera is excellent on WM devices, but I am all for Opera Mini for now on my HTC Artemis.</p>
<p>Waiting for Opera 9 now.</p>
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		<title>By: Pachi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOu should of tested out the N95-3..I loaded my pages fast..So much for the tilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOu should of tested out the N95-3..I loaded my pages fast..So much for the tilt.</p>
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		<title>By: Trini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a browser performance comparison review of Opera, PIE, Minimo, Picsel, and Netfront at this blog - http://www.pocketables.net/2007/09/browser-perform.html

They also have a load time comparison of the iphone against stuff like the mylo, nokia n800, and archos wifi players - http://www.pocketables.net/2007/08/review-website-.html

All the test are on wifi tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a browser performance comparison review of Opera, PIE, Minimo, Picsel, and Netfront at this blog &#8211; <a href="http://www.pocketables.net/2007/09/browser-perform.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pocketables.net/2007/09/browser-perform.html</a></p>
<p>They also have a load time comparison of the iphone against stuff like the mylo, nokia n800, and archos wifi players &#8211; <a href="http://www.pocketables.net/2007/08/review-website-.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pocketables.net/2007/08/review-website-.html</a></p>
<p>All the test are on wifi tho.</p>
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		<title>By: JonnyBruha</title>
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		<dc:creator>JonnyBruha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The E61i was using 3G, not HSDPA, which both the N95-3 and the Tilt use. There isn&#039;t that big of a difference between EDGE and UMTS speeds if HSDPA isn&#039;t present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The E61i was using 3G, not HSDPA, which both the N95-3 and the Tilt use. There isn&#8217;t that big of a difference between EDGE and UMTS speeds if HSDPA isn&#8217;t present.</p>
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		<title>By: Darkness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i&#039;ve got the T mobile Vario 2 which has processing power and 3G HSDPA. I loaded the shopbop.com site in 13seconds  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i&#8217;ve got the T mobile Vario 2 which has processing power and 3G HSDPA. I loaded the shopbop.com site in 13seconds  <img src='http://static.intomobile.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, every web surfer I&#039;ve seen who posts on forums for the Tilt uses Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. Speedwise Mini blows Mobile away on the Tilt, renders pages beautifully and has some features Opera Mobile doesn&#039;t have. I think you&#039;ll find that Opera Mini on Edge is faster on the Tilt than IE on 3G. (I&#039;m typing this into Opera Mini, in fact.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, every web surfer I&#8217;ve seen who posts on forums for the Tilt uses Opera Mini, not Opera Mobile. Speedwise Mini blows Mobile away on the Tilt, renders pages beautifully and has some features Opera Mobile doesn&#8217;t have. I think you&#8217;ll find that Opera Mini on Edge is faster on the Tilt than IE on 3G. (I&#8217;m typing this into Opera Mini, in fact.)</p>
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		<title>By: N95</title>
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		<dc:creator>N95</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should have measured the real net data throughput of both connections first, before the website load comparison. you say the tilt had 3G - what 3G? did it had a 1.8Mb/s HSDPA connection at that moment, or was it just native UMTS, with 384kb/s max? to much unknown variables here..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should have measured the real net data throughput of both connections first, before the website load comparison. you say the tilt had 3G &#8211; what 3G? did it had a 1.8Mb/s HSDPA connection at that moment, or was it just native UMTS, with 384kb/s max? to much unknown variables here..</p>
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		<title>By: JaXX</title>
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		<dc:creator>JaXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jonnybruha,

Well, if you have a look over here http://www.applephoneinfo.de/2007/11/edge-gegen-umts.html

Even though it&#039;s a less well powered e61i, there&#039;s still a very slight margin in favor of 3G, even against a tougher N95, I&#039;m not sure it would &quot;blast&quot; the iPhone away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonnybruha,</p>
<p>Well, if you have a look over here <a href="http://www.applephoneinfo.de/2007/11/edge-gegen-umts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.applephoneinfo.de/2007/11/edge-gegen-umts.html</a></p>
<p>Even though it&#8217;s a less well powered e61i, there&#8217;s still a very slight margin in favor of 3G, even against a tougher N95, I&#8217;m not sure it would &#8220;blast&#8221; the iPhone away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other browsers, including S60 and Opera coming soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other browsers, including S60 and Opera coming soon.</p>
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		<title>By: jonnybruha</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonnybruha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rank PIE at the bottom of the list of ALL browsers for speed, right next to the iPhone on EDGE. The bottleneck is phenomenal. 

Where&#039;s the S60 browser? That browser would pwn anything you threw at it with a 3G connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rank PIE at the bottom of the list of ALL browsers for speed, right next to the iPhone on EDGE. The bottleneck is phenomenal. </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the S60 browser? That browser would pwn anything you threw at it with a 3G connection.</p>
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		<title>By: JaXX</title>
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		<dc:creator>JaXX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, too bad you couldn&#039;t test with Opera (not mini).

IE Mobile is known to be a WAP browser, nothing else, like the desktop version.

What about Minimo ? It&#039;s far from being finished but it should load pages :-)

Also, the loader bar sometimes wait on &quot;behind the scenes&quot; scripts to load when the page is visually fully loaded (advertisements / google analytics scripts / ajax or beautifying libs etc... )

That said, even beyond the browser bottleneck, 3G would definitly give a sensible speed bump, but I think on the mid-term run that it wouldn&#039;t be that awesome.

And that the 3G iPhone is, now, more a commercial need than anything else.


cya !

Hopin&#039; to get my iPhone before it gets it&#039;s storage space taxed by french gov&#039;t (and before 1.1.3 which might be harder to jailbreak) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, too bad you couldn&#8217;t test with Opera (not mini).</p>
<p>IE Mobile is known to be a WAP browser, nothing else, like the desktop version.</p>
<p>What about Minimo ? It&#8217;s far from being finished but it should load pages <img src='http://static.intomobile.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, the loader bar sometimes wait on &#8220;behind the scenes&#8221; scripts to load when the page is visually fully loaded (advertisements / google analytics scripts / ajax or beautifying libs etc&#8230; )</p>
<p>That said, even beyond the browser bottleneck, 3G would definitly give a sensible speed bump, but I think on the mid-term run that it wouldn&#8217;t be that awesome.</p>
<p>And that the 3G iPhone is, now, more a commercial need than anything else.</p>
<p>cya !</p>
<p>Hopin&#8217; to get my iPhone before it gets it&#8217;s storage space taxed by french gov&#8217;t (and before 1.1.3 which might be harder to jailbreak) <img src='http://static.intomobile.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s well known that Mobile IE is particularly crap, why was it used? I thought this was about data connections, not processors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s well known that Mobile IE is particularly crap, why was it used? I thought this was about data connections, not processors.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoine of BH/MMM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antoine of BH/MMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one relevant and suitable test. I&#039;d love to see this included in your reviews (if possible). It would make for a much better benchmark (with the usual caveats of environment effecting results).

The rendering engine in Safari is miles better than the one in IE mobile. Besides that, the reprocessing of the page for the smaller screen seems to indicate a good bit more going on under the hood for IE Mobile than Safari. Well done Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one relevant and suitable test. I&#8217;d love to see this included in your reviews (if possible). It would make for a much better benchmark (with the usual caveats of environment effecting results).</p>
<p>The rendering engine in Safari is miles better than the one in IE mobile. Besides that, the reprocessing of the page for the smaller screen seems to indicate a good bit more going on under the hood for IE Mobile than Safari. Well done Apple.</p>
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