Comments on: The end of 2007 is coming, how did Nokia score on my wishlist? http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html Cell Phone News, Information, and Analysis Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:05:46 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Danny http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123642 Danny Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:39:34 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123642 I agree with your nr21 (Nokia shud have one flagstore in evry capital round the globe ) I agree with your nr21 (Nokia shud have one flagstore in evry capital round the globe )

]]> By: Jims Server http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123530 Jims Server Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:58:58 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123530 Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn't word my original posting very well. I meant "while at my desk I like tho use the **n810's** USB port for an external keyboard and mouse" Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn’t word my original posting very well. I meant “while at my desk I like tho use the **n810’s** USB port for an external keyboard and mouse”

]]> By: Jims Server http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123525 Jims Server Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:53:14 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123525 Still, if the n810 had USB charging, you wouldn't be able to charge it while it's talking to the hub because the n810 would be in "host" mode at that point. Still, if the n810 had USB charging, you wouldn’t be able to charge it while it’s talking to the hub because the n810 would be in “host” mode at that point.

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123493 Stefan Constantinescu Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:07:06 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123493 or a hub or a hub

]]> By: Jims Server http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123486 Jims Server Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:49:49 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123486 > USB should also take place of the charger. On the n810, at least, while at my desk I like to use the USB port for an external keyboard and mouse, and still be able to charge the phone via the charger port. I suppose having two micro USB ports would fix that, though. > USB should also take place of the charger.

On the n810, at least, while at my desk I like to use the USB port for an external keyboard and mouse, and still be able to charge the phone via the charger port. I suppose having two micro USB ports would fix that, though.

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123280 Stefan Constantinescu Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:18:26 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123280 you're right! i always forget about that phone, it wasn't very popular. you’re right! i always forget about that phone, it wasn’t very popular.

]]> By: dusanb http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-123278 dusanb Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:14:16 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-123278 Just one thing: "The Nokia N95 is the first of many cell phones to come with a discrete graphics processor." Nokia N93 has that as well, so I guess that was the first Nokia with GPU on board... Just one thing: “The Nokia N95 is the first of many cell phones to come with a discrete graphics processor.”

Nokia N93 has that as well, so I guess that was the first Nokia with GPU on board…

]]> By: Morten http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122756 Morten Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:12:16 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122756 "S60 is not componentized. If there is a new version of the music player or search application or whatever, I still need to wait for a new firmware instead of updating the specific application to the latest version I care about." That is NOT true ... I remember updating the Maps application on my N95 v12.X by installing nokia_maps_1_0_upgrade_ROM.sis found on http://smart2go.com/en/download/ In fact, I am pretty sure that the way Symbian works, is that it will search for files/applications in the following locations in this order: Memory card (E:) Phone memory (C:) Firmware (Z:) It seems to be (at least partly) like the Inheriting File System (IFS) (details here: http://www.almesberger.net/epfl/ifs.html) In other words, Symbian has some way of using several file systems in a stack-like way, such that files from lower layers become visible only if there are no files with the same path in an upper layer. Furthermore, all file creations and write accesses go to the top layer, which can be used to create the effect of having writable read-only media (i.e. firmware). In some IFS implementations you could even delete files on read-only media, by creating a special version of the file in a higher layer, which would instruct the OS that the file has been deleted from the firmware/read-only memory I'm not sure exactly how far this concept has been taken in the Symbian world, but you can indeed upgrade an application in the firmware (at least for some components) by installing stuff in the phone memory or on the memory card, as indicated by the Nokia Maps ROM upgrade SIS file :-) So, what you should add to your wish list is for Nokia to release more ROM upgrades :-) “S60 is not componentized. If there is a new version of the music player or search application or whatever, I still need to wait for a new firmware instead of updating the specific application to the latest version I care about.”

That is NOT true … I remember updating the Maps application on my N95 v12.X by installing nokia_maps_1_0_upgrade_ROM.sis found on http://smart2go.com/en/download/

In fact, I am pretty sure that the way Symbian works, is that it will search for files/applications in the following locations in this order:

Memory card (E:)
Phone memory (C:)
Firmware (Z:)

It seems to be (at least partly) like the Inheriting File System (IFS) (details here: http://www.almesberger.net/epfl/ifs.html)

In other words, Symbian has some way of using several file systems in a stack-like way, such that files from lower layers become visible only if there are no files with the same path in an upper layer. Furthermore, all file creations and write accesses go to the top layer, which can be used to create the effect of having writable read-only media (i.e. firmware).
In some IFS implementations you could even delete files on read-only media, by creating a special version of the file in a higher layer, which would instruct the OS that the file has been deleted from the firmware/read-only memory

I’m not sure exactly how far this concept has been taken in the Symbian world, but you can indeed upgrade an application in the firmware (at least for some components) by installing stuff in the phone memory or on the memory card, as indicated by the Nokia Maps ROM upgrade SIS file :-)

So, what you should add to your wish list is for Nokia to release more ROM upgrades :-)

]]> By: Viipottaja http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122463 Viipottaja Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:19:23 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122463 That video on the Ovi is great! Can't wait to see how it evolves! That video on the Ovi is great! Can’t wait to see how it evolves!

]]> By: Fernando http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122438 Fernando Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:41:50 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122438 Stefan, do you have any more info on the transition to GStreamer frameworks? How would that affect the end user, would we see a simple "Media Player" icon instead of the RealPlayer? And about the network drive, I'm really excited about that, I've used SymSMB and it is amazing! Too bad apple broke the SMB when updating to leopard, it always times out. Please ask your contacts about this network drive function when you can. Kinda offtopic but anyway, the Telexy guys have a SMB SDK, Jukka has a guide on making Y-Browser plugins, the resources for making a SMB enabled Y-Browser exist, we only need someone to do it :P Stefan, do you have any more info on the transition to GStreamer frameworks? How would that affect the end user, would we see a simple “Media Player” icon instead of the RealPlayer?

And about the network drive, I’m really excited about that, I’ve used SymSMB and it is amazing! Too bad apple broke the SMB when updating to leopard, it always times out. Please ask your contacts about this network drive function when you can.

Kinda offtopic but anyway, the Telexy guys have a SMB SDK, Jukka has a guide on making Y-Browser plugins, the resources for making a SMB enabled Y-Browser exist, we only need someone to do it :P

]]> By: Kay http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122240 Kay Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:31:53 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122240 Great post. On point 19: I've always thought that it's unfair of Nokia to not include an office suite and a feature-rich task manager in its high end phones. It's atrocious when you spend a fortune on them and you can't edit .doc files. Great post.

On point 19: I’ve always thought that it’s unfair of Nokia to not include an office suite and a feature-rich task manager in its high end phones. It’s atrocious when you spend a fortune on them and you can’t edit .doc files.

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122214 Stefan Constantinescu Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:39:03 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122214 Al: you know how much I respect copyright :lol: JaXX: I don't remember hearing that ... I would be interested to see that bit of information however, please find it! Al: you know how much I respect copyright :lol:

JaXX: I don’t remember hearing that … I would be interested to see that bit of information however, please find it!

]]> By: JaXX http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122211 JaXX Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:30:11 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122211 I thought the S60 Browser team said somewhere last year that S60 was being componentized (especially for the browser). (URL needed, but it was on the pastel colored S60 blogs :-) ) I thought the S60 Browser team said somewhere last year that S60 was being componentized (especially for the browser). (URL needed, but it was on the pastel colored S60 blogs :-) )

]]> By: Al http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122208 Al Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:26:04 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122208 If Nokia isn't going to pay licensing for divx, I doubt they'll pay for Quick Office Full. Carl Zeiss branding not enough? Next time you take a picture from flickr, you should pick one with a Creative Commons license. Even though you linked back to the flickr site, I think it breaks a rule somehow due to the All Rights Reserved thing. If Nokia isn’t going to pay licensing for divx, I doubt they’ll pay for Quick Office Full.

Carl Zeiss branding not enough?

Next time you take a picture from flickr, you should pick one with a Creative Commons license. Even though you linked back to the flickr site, I think it breaks a rule somehow due to the All Rights Reserved thing.

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122174 Stefan Constantinescu Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:07:37 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122174 Stuff like the Solio, which I think is what you have, is expensive. They need to bring the cost down and make them battle ready. Stuff like the Solio, which I think is what you have, is expensive. They need to bring the cost down and make them battle ready.

]]> By: Noah http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122169 Noah Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:57:22 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122169 What is wrong with the range of universal solar chargers on the market? I used Solar to charge my N95 when I last went camping... What is wrong with the range of universal solar chargers on the market? I used Solar to charge my N95 when I last went camping…

]]> By: Professional Guy http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html/comment-page-1/#comment-122131 Professional Guy Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:28:11 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2007/12/19/the-end-of-2007-is-coming-how-did-nokia-score-on-my-wishlist.html#comment-122131 I had nokias in the past--I have a different phone--thanks for the review, good food for thought :grin: I had nokias in the past–I have a different phone–thanks for the review, good food for thought :grin:

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