Comments on: Rant: Why doesn’t Sony Ericsson bring their JAP models to the EU and USA? http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html Cell Phone News, Information, and Analysis Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:32:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Sony Ericsson Games http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-168107 Sony Ericsson Games Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:51:55 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-168107 I think the reason behind this that in japan Technology is really up to the mark and very update then the other countries and one an other very important and main reason is that they think differently from other world there really expert in Technology also other then mobile......i think this is the main reason or may be language problem or other hurdles I think the reason behind this that in japan Technology is really up to the mark and very update then the other countries and one an other very important and main reason is that they think differently from other world there really expert in Technology also other then mobile……i think this is the main reason or may be language problem or other hurdles

]]> By: john http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167737 john Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:21:40 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167737 The Japanese think very differently about some things than the West does. NTT might not want to let others use their OS because of pride/exclusivity. We see the option of having the most advanced phone, and it is the most important thing to us. The Japanese might see it as having the most exclusive network, and that's what they like (regardless of who is on it, as long as they are profitable). Here we are posting about it, begging for it almost, and that only makes the Japanese carriers and customers happier (if exclusivity does indeed make them happy). I'm not Japanese, so I don't know this as a fact, but I have had a little exposure to the Japanese mobile market, and I wouldn't doubt that the exclusiveness had something to do with it. The Japanese think very differently about some things than the West does. NTT might not want to let others use their OS because of pride/exclusivity.

We see the option of having the most advanced phone, and it is the most important thing to us. The Japanese might see it as having the most exclusive network, and that’s what they like (regardless of who is on it, as long as they are profitable).

Here we are posting about it, begging for it almost, and that only makes the Japanese carriers and customers happier (if exclusivity does indeed make them happy). I’m not Japanese, so I don’t know this as a fact, but I have had a little exposure to the Japanese mobile market, and I wouldn’t doubt that the exclusiveness had something to do with it.

]]> By: Vlad http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167736 Vlad Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:21:39 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167736 No, I don't get it. If software is licensed by the operators, then why don't they launch the devices with different software? Is that really the issue? As for the features that don't make sense in Europe, ok, strip them of those. The Samsung G810 has just been announced, it's not yet available. Why higher-res phones don't make it outside Japan and, to some extent, Korea, is really beyond me. I do agree completely with Stefan's point and I've given this some thought myself. If other manufacturers that cater to the Japanese market simply aren't present in Europe (or they seem not to be), why Sony Ericsson doesn't re-release the phones they sell there to Europe, with different OS, tweaked features and all, I don't get. And last thing: if you asked the "users" if they're ready for the N95 back in 2006, most average users would have responded that they don't need such features in a phone. But the N95 has been sold in millions (tens of millions, maybe?) worldwide, so this theory is probably only good for the operators' ears (who seem to think that users are also not ready for truly unlimited mobile data plans). No, I don’t get it. If software is licensed by the operators, then why don’t they launch the devices with different software? Is that really the issue? As for the features that don’t make sense in Europe, ok, strip them of those.
The Samsung G810 has just been announced, it’s not yet available.
Why higher-res phones don’t make it outside Japan and, to some extent, Korea, is really beyond me.
I do agree completely with Stefan’s point and I’ve given this some thought myself. If other manufacturers that cater to the Japanese market simply aren’t present in Europe (or they seem not to be), why Sony Ericsson doesn’t re-release the phones they sell there to Europe, with different OS, tweaked features and all, I don’t get.
And last thing: if you asked the “users” if they’re ready for the N95 back in 2006, most average users would have responded that they don’t need such features in a phone. But the N95 has been sold in millions (tens of millions, maybe?) worldwide, so this theory is probably only good for the operators’ ears (who seem to think that users are also not ready for truly unlimited mobile data plans).

]]> By: Marco http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167705 Marco Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:48:14 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167705 The problem is quite simple: The phones on NTTDocomo's network work on an OS (MOAP) licensed and controlled by NTTDocomo. So NTT won't allow to use this OS outside their own network, and the phones are geared towards special mobile sites (i-mode and the like). The Japanese market is completely different. It is controlled by the operators (NTT, Softbank) and the phones show the operator brands, not the manufacturer brands. Hardware-wise the Japanese companies are not that different, except for the clamshell formfactor. Samsung offers the S60 (open, native extensible OS!) powered G810 with 5Mpixel cam and optical zoom. N96 has TV and 5Mpixel, only higher resolutions than QVGA have to be announced. For connectivity, Europe is even more advanced. EU and Japan use the same W-CDMA technology at 2100Mhz (therefore roaming is possible), with the same HSPA technology. But: Only a really small amount of Japanese phones have Bluetooth or WIFI, so you have to rely on W-CDMA (read: Operator controlled market). Japan is advanced in NFC services, but do not forget that in Europe there are 15+ countries and network operators that have to agree on one standard in contrast to Japan. The problem is quite simple: The phones on NTTDocomo’s network work on an OS (MOAP) licensed and controlled by NTTDocomo. So NTT won’t allow to use this OS outside their own network, and the phones are geared towards special mobile sites (i-mode and the like).
The Japanese market is completely different. It is controlled by the operators (NTT, Softbank) and the phones show the operator brands, not the manufacturer brands.
Hardware-wise the Japanese companies are not that different, except for the clamshell formfactor. Samsung offers the S60 (open, native extensible OS!) powered G810 with 5Mpixel cam and optical zoom. N96 has TV and 5Mpixel, only higher resolutions than QVGA have to be announced.
For connectivity, Europe is even more advanced. EU and Japan use the same W-CDMA technology at 2100Mhz (therefore roaming is possible), with the same HSPA technology. But: Only a really small amount of Japanese phones have Bluetooth or WIFI, so you have to rely on W-CDMA (read: Operator controlled market).
Japan is advanced in NFC services, but do not forget that in Europe there are 15+ countries and network operators that have to agree on one standard in contrast to Japan.

]]> By: Zeitgeist http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167624 Zeitgeist Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:01:26 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167624 Hey Stefen, nice post, as usual! Did you take a look at the japanese NTT DoCoMo's booth at the 3GSM/MWC? There were a lot of features only available (of course) in Japan, and it's absolutely incredible what these crazy jap's are able to do with their single phone!! Not only interactive mobile TV (it's a different standard than DVB-H, btw), but also features such as leaving your phone in a kind of craddle connected every night so that it can download all the new music and episodes from tv series you are subscribed to, and embedded technologies that have been working there for some time already, such as the ability to pay in a shop with your phone, or to open a locked door sliding the phone through a magnetic band or something similar. So, indeed I was trying to justify that all those jap phones, are really really tied with their technology and with their sense of styling (most of them are clamshells, inmense screen and resolution...), and, as such, I don't think they could be, in first place, released in Europe, as it would be a nonsense to release a phone whose technology is like 50% non usable here in Europe. My opinion is that, as with almost any industrial sector that they produce, japanese companies can afford to work for two markets: THEIR OWN, and then the rest of the world. Don't know about you guys, but I can't think of another economy in the entire world that is able to do such a thing. Japan is sure a land that goes beyond all expectations.... Hey Stefen, nice post, as usual!

Did you take a look at the japanese NTT DoCoMo’s booth at the 3GSM/MWC? There were a lot of features only available (of course) in Japan, and it’s absolutely incredible what these crazy jap’s are able to do with their single phone!!

Not only interactive mobile TV (it’s a different standard than DVB-H, btw), but also features such as leaving your phone in a kind of craddle connected every night so that it can download all the new music and episodes from tv series you are subscribed to, and embedded technologies that have been working there for some time already, such as the ability to pay in a shop with your phone, or to open a locked door sliding the phone through a magnetic band or something similar.

So, indeed I was trying to justify that all those jap phones, are really really tied with their technology and with their sense of styling (most of them are clamshells, inmense screen and resolution…), and, as such, I don’t think they could be, in first place, released in Europe, as it would be a nonsense to release a phone whose technology is like 50% non usable here in Europe.

My opinion is that, as with almost any industrial sector that they produce, japanese companies can afford to work for two markets: THEIR OWN, and then the rest of the world. Don’t know about you guys, but I can’t think of another economy in the entire world that is able to do such a thing. Japan is sure a land that goes beyond all expectations….

]]> By: Al http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167570 Al Sun, 02 Mar 2008 08:10:01 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167570 I would love to have similar specs in a Nokia. I would welcome 24 mm thick phones if it means having ultra high end features like WVGA screens, cameras with optical zoom + xenon flash and most importantly of all, big batteries. Unfortunately, phone makers think westerners are scared of thick devices. Its all the Razr's fault. I would love to have similar specs in a Nokia.

I would welcome 24 mm thick phones if it means having ultra high end features like WVGA screens, cameras with optical zoom + xenon flash and most importantly of all, big batteries.

Unfortunately, phone makers think westerners are scared of thick devices. Its all the Razr’s fault.

]]> By: Adonis http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167469 Adonis Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:31:16 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167469 The EU is getting there I agree, but the masses nor the the framework the technology isn't. London still struggles to get anywhere near 16Mb internet connection. Only recently have the big 4 operators rolled out 3.5G The public may be ready to a certain degree, but the operators aren't. They need to get out of the way! The EU is getting there I agree, but the masses nor the the framework the technology isn’t. London still struggles to get anywhere near 16Mb internet connection. Only recently have the big 4 operators rolled out 3.5G
The public may be ready to a certain degree, but the operators aren’t. They need to get out of the way!

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167458 Stefan Constantinescu Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:18:11 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167458 With all the N95's you and I have both seen in London and how advanced Italy is in terms of mobile television penetration ... I think Europeans are ready. With all the N95’s you and I have both seen in London and how advanced Italy is in terms of mobile television penetration … I think Europeans are ready.

]]> By: Adonis http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167451 Adonis Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:04:54 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167451 Whereas you and me and other mobile enthusiasts might want this to happen and pretty soon. Europe doesn't have the demand for such high spec handsets. Asia is a market that does. They are on the frontier for technology and will remain until the Europeans get their thumbs out. Whereas you and me and other mobile enthusiasts might want this to happen and pretty soon.
Europe doesn’t have the demand for such high spec handsets. Asia is a market that does. They are on the frontier for technology and will remain until the Europeans get their thumbs out.

]]> By: Bonyback http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167370 Bonyback Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:11:27 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167370 The only thing I want it the hardward the have. The software on those phone are crap! I want an SO905I with s60 on it. The only thing I want it the hardward the have. The software on those phone are crap! I want an SO905I with s60 on it.

]]> By: Stefan Constantinescu http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167360 Stefan Constantinescu Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:39:35 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167360 Tampere! :mrgreen: Tampere! :mrgreen:

]]> By: Topy http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html/comment-page-1/#comment-167316 Topy Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:31:52 +0000 http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/01/rant-why-doesnt-sony-ericsson-bring-their-jap-models-to-the-eu-and-usa.html#comment-167316 Well what i have understood is that menus are really confusing on those, but yeah i wouldnt mind to own any of those especially that upper 5.1mpx phone. But imo only thing that makes those Japanese phones uber are those screens and if any i would like to see much much more of them here in Europe with +500 euro phones. Btw where are you living now days Stefan? Well what i have understood is that menus are really confusing on those, but yeah i wouldnt mind to own any of those especially that upper 5.1mpx phone.
But imo only thing that makes those Japanese phones uber are those screens and if any i would like to see much much more of them here in Europe with +500 euro phones.
Btw where are you living now days Stefan?

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