Idea: Maybe selecting webOS instead of Windows Phone was a better choice for Nokia?

Idea: Maybe selecting webOS instead Windows Phone was a better choice for Nokia?

I have an idea I wanted to share with you. Back when Nokia announced it will make Windows Phone devices, many Symbian fans reacted. In a nutshell – they didn’t like it and I can’t blame them for that. I do think Windows Phone has a future — Microsoft will invest billions to make it work — but it has one big downside too – Microsoft makes it. While I personally have nothing against the Redmond giant I can understand people’s frustrations imagining blue screens of death on their phones. That made me think – maybe Nokia picked a wrong partner?

First of all I want to say I never considered Android as the right platform for Nokia. The reason is simple – Google heavily competes with Nokia offering map and navigation services which are (will be) an important part of Nokia’s business. Likewise, Nokia would most certainly like to have a more control over the platform to integrate its own rather than Google’s services in the platform. So with Android out, what’s left?

What about webOS?

There’s an idea. The deal with HP could’ve been a partnership of the equals; while Nokia has a ton of wireless patents, HP has… well… a cool OS. Together the two companies could’ve made webOS run on everything from a number of phones to tablets and laptops. Don’t get me wrong – HP will do that by itself, but will never have the scale it would have if it is “in the bad” with Nokia.

Moreover, webOS is not a 1.0 product unlike Windows Phone 7 which still has some of the basic features missing. Microsoft will definitely make its mobile platform more powerful in the coming months, but it will still lack behind HP/Palm’s baby…

Anyway this is something I thought I should share with you. Now I’m eager to hear what you think about it. Was Nokia right to select Windows Phone instead of webOS? Comments form is all yours…

  • Shaheen_mm

    In my opinion, HP made a big mistake to buy a dead elephant.( pam). Android, Windows and iOS will kill WebOS and Blackberry OS in the mobile market.

  • http://a-gnu-hope.blogspot.com Ploni Almoni

    I agree, ironically even WebOS is getting skype integration, something previously Nokia had with Maemo, before Windows Phone 7 – even though both the latter and Skype are now owned by Microsoft. This underscores WebOS’s relative maturity. WebOS is also a very good OS, mostly hobbled by poor hardware build quality – something Nokia is not known for, and a lack of carrier connections, something Nokia has outside of the US definitely. This is one of those what-ifs that is intriguing, and regrettably, unfulfillable. Maybe HP should give Nokia a new CEO and executive team from within their ranks now like Microsoft did? ;-)

  • No

    Do you own an wp7 device? Buy one and you will love it!

    • Jmac1

      I have a Samsung Focus with the NoDo update. It is clear that the OS still has a long way to go. Everything takes longer than on my old iPhone 3GS. It’s incredibly annoying that when I click on a link (through Twitter for example) and then go back after I am finished reading the article, the entire app has to reload and puts me back at the top of the page. That’s just one example, but one that frustrates me daily.  

      • Anonymous

        You’re doing it wrong.

        • Jmac1

          Enlighten me. I would love for my phone to be more usable. 

  • http://twitter.com/laserfloyd Lewis McCrary

    I think their mobile OS will mature very fast.  It really has to in order to compete.  The heat is on, so to speak.  I own a WP7 device and it’s great.  I see a lot of potential for it.  I’m eager to see what developers come up with after the Mango update.

  • http://twitter.com/bragzter Bradley Larcher

    i like webOS but the hardware was not the best. i don’t like Nokia going Microsoft. webOS would work well in Nokia’s hardware. i would even quicker pick up a MeeGo device than Windows Phone 7. i wish they had put time, effort and money into MeeGo, at least for high-end devices, keep Symbian on low-end and phase out Series 40.

    • Anonymous

      Meego is vaporware. They spent a billion or more on Meego, and every hands-on impression was a disaster. A Meego tablet was shown off MWC, and it was savaged by journalists and tech pundits. Don’t you realize that Meego and Symbian, and the billions they wasted on them, are why Nokia is in the position it’s in.

      • Anonymous

        You are confusing vanilla Meego, Nokia Meego and Maemo all different propositions and differing paths. Nokia didnt ever plan to release vanilla Meego that was slated, nor did they spend a billion on it. Not that they have spent a fortune on something that has now been cut and has effectively (sadly) been a massive waste.

    • Anonymous

      Meego was a bad idea, after a 2 years of research they were only able to produce 2 meego phones!! while HTC and Samsung were rolling out more than 20 phones a year…

  • Anonymous

    “but it has one big downside too – Microsoft makes it.”

    “I can understand people’s frustrations imagining blue screens of death on their phones. ”

    Oh God, another ignorant Microsoft-hating idiot. Those are two of the dumbest statements I’ve read from a tech journalist. Then again, you aint no journalist. You know how many BSOD I’ve had in all my years of running Windows? None! Why? Because I know what the hell I’m doing. Besides, WP7 is not Windows. It simply uses the Windows name.

    WebOS is dead. It’s not a bad platform, but it has no developer support. None! WP7 has already destroyed it in developer support. HP is also incompetent. You think Microsoft moves slowly, well HP makes Microsoft look like a speed demon. It’s going nowhere for those two reasons. So Nokia would have been stupid to go with WebOS.

    As for you, here’s a novel idea. How about judging a product for what it is, and not for who makes it. WP7 beats every other mobile OS is so many ways it’s not even funny. You even have Apple stealing patented features from WP7. Try it next time instead of dismissing it because you hate Microsoft.

    • WMPU

      “Oh God, another ignorant Microsoft-hating idiot.”  No, he his stated what the average person on the street feels.  Most people do not know much about their computers and they are constantly having difficulties with them, users see it has complex.  The average Joes and Janes there is an inherent “guilt by association”  with anything Windows or MS, 
      Rather then getting angry with writers for stating this reality of perception, you frustrating should be focus toward MS for not doing more to change it.  That would take marketing and MS is impotent in producing any or quality.  

    • Anonymous

      “no developer support”?  You must be a non-programmer without a single clue.  webOS has a good number of 3rd party developers making money on the side while providing “developer support”.  webOS is one of the most elegant and easiest mobile platforms to develop apps for.  And with HP handing out free HP Touchpads and Palm Pre 3s to developers while building a strong ad campaign, many anticipate that this will drive more 3rd party developers to support webOS interested in making more money on the side.

      webOS has been around for about 2 years and has been refined with several updates and patches during the same period.  WP7, like every new OS, will be going through hell for the first several months – consumers have become demanding and expect products that already work with all the bugs already ironed out.  WP7 has a very steep hill to climb.

  • Anonymous

    “but it has one big downside too – Microsoft makes it.”

    “I can understand people’s frustrations imagining blue screens of death on their phones. ”

    Oh God, another ignorant Microsoft-hating idiot. Those are two of the dumbest statements I’ve read from a tech journalist. Then again, you aint no journalist. You know how many BSOD I’ve had in all my years of running Windows? None! Why? Because I know what the hell I’m doing. Besides, WP7 is not Windows. It simply uses the Windows name.

    WebOS is dead. It’s not a bad platform, but it has no developer support. None! WP7 has already destroyed it in developer support. HP is also incompetent. You think Microsoft moves slowly, well HP makes Microsoft look like a speed demon. It’s going nowhere for those two reasons. So Nokia would have been stupid to go with WebOS.

    As for you, here’s a novel idea. How about judging a product for what it is, and not for who makes it. WP7 beats every other mobile OS is so many ways it’s not even funny. You even have Apple stealing patented features from WP7. Try it next time instead of dismissing it because you hate Microsoft.

  • http://twitter.com/gzost Alexander Gödde

    The problem with this is that both Nokia and HP are, at their core, hardware manufacturers. HP would have shared their OS, that they want to use to differentiate themselves in the market, for – manufacturing tips from Nokia? Distribution? I think they feel that they can manage both on their own. Sure, there would have been an extension of reach, mapping services, carrier relations etc., so there could have been benefits for both, but HP and Nokia would have been uneasy partners at best.
    Of course Nokia buying Palm would have been an option last year, and HP buying Nokia could be an option (albeit a far-fetched one). Cooperation? Not so much

  • Anonymous

    WebOS is dead. WP7 mango has all the goods to go head to heat with IOS and Android. heck even apple is ripping off features from it like twitter integration and cloud syncing. Why the author thinks webOS is a better alternative for nokia is beyond reason. I guess he neglected to check on the latest WP7 marketplace stats that shows amazing growth in wp7 interest. WebOS? was left in the dust long ago by WP7. HP lacks everything it takes to build an ecosystem which microsoft is doing just fine with it’s WP7.

    I think the author needs to re-evaluate his view of WP7. it is clearly 18 months out of date. 

    • Anonymous

      well i would say HP killed WebOS they did not push it too far, they never pushed the app market. Nokia would have done that way better. WP7 is good, but moving ppl from one ecosystem to another aint easy, i have an android and i so want a WP7 phone, but all my apps and my data is already with google and i do not like Bing!

      • Random

        i never really like bing, but the skydrive and all other features make me forget about it. And really when you have such a beautiful OS bing is the last thing on your mind. It does everything you  need, but i use google on my home comp and bing on my wp7 and i dont have any issues. Wp7 is amazing, I’ve had one since december and i have had it from version 1.0 its wayy better now and with mango almost here its gonna be sweet

  • Anonymous

    Its in interesting thought. However I truly believe that HP as an organization is terrible and I dont feel that they would have been great partners from a business pov with Nokia. In other words HP is a company that would drop WebOS in a heartbeat if it wasnt meeting the bottom line regardless of who they are partnered with. This, I feel, will be happening in the next 3 years. Same with RIM which to me would be the equivalent to a Symbian 4 if it existed.

    The one thing that I think everyone is missing here is the future of mobile. Its all going to be in the air (cloud). M$ and GOOG are best positioned for that AND can literally block anyone out from it as they wish or give limited access to. They wont, but can if needed for positioning purposes.

    The era of iOS will slowly fade into the sea of mobility. It will be there but not as a relevant groundbreaking device.

    • Anonymous

      well, it could be in cloud but still most ppl want local content, i would never prefer to use always on data connection and keep uploading data. Developing nations like India, China etc are buying more cellphones plus they are unlocked to provide the options. HP is just not looking at right markets

      • Anonymous

        I agree with you. However, there are a lot of things in this industry that the customer will be forced into using due to changing times. An always on connection will be the norm, almost the same as a cable modem would be for a PC.
        Developing Nations are going to have a completely different infrastructure layout than the US. Microsoft knows this and will be using Nokia’s brand to help break into those markets with its services. Location based services are going to be a real driver for many many years to come as apps and services are built around that.

  • Anonymous

    Its in interesting thought. However I truly believe that HP as an organization is terrible and I dont feel that they would have been great partners from a business pov with Nokia. In other words HP is a company that would drop WebOS in a heartbeat if it wasnt meeting the bottom line regardless of who they are partnered with. This, I feel, will be happening in the next 3 years. Same with RIM which to me would be the equivalent to a Symbian 4 if it existed.

    The one thing that I think everyone is missing here is the future of mobile. Its all going to be in the air (cloud). M$ and GOOG are best positioned for that AND can literally block anyone out from it as they wish or give limited access to. They wont, but can if needed for positioning purposes.

    The era of iOS will slowly fade into the sea of mobility. It will be there but not as a relevant groundbreaking device.

  • Anonymous

    Nokia should have bought Palm when it was on sale. The current management might have but previous certainly not. If they had I think things would be v different now. Im not sure if WebOS is too far behind the game, and with MS cash/development they may get somewhere..

  • Anonymous

    I totally agree, Palm OS does everything android or iphone do, and in a better way. Plus its on market longer than windows phone, and hardware specs are not that demanding. Could have helped Nokia on all the price points (as stated by Elop). Only if HP had some smart marketing team like MS or Apple…

  • MSblog

    Yes if Nokia would have purchased when HP did, they would be in the market already with a handset, an OS that was competitive, and close to offering a successful tablet. all why not trying to succeed with the bias of consumer towards anything window and Carriers towards MS.   

  • Anonymous

    I believe many agree with you.  Nokia should have bought webOS.  However, webOS in the hands of HP is in a much better position for webOS.  HP will soon have webOS not only on smartphones, but tablets, PCs, printers, and household appliances.  I couldn’t imagine Nokia to have that kind of a vision for webOS which really is necessary to compete with the Android Army.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, definitely, and thought the same thing. But initially HP were a bit precious. Now they say they’re looking for partners.

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