Rumor: Microsoft to give Windows Phone a heart transplant, give it the desktop Windows 8 kernel

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Let’s be honest, Windows Phone isn’t exactly a success. Everyone in the media says that it has incredible potential, that it’s beautiful, and that it’s the freshest take on a mobile smartphone operating system they’ve ever seen, but has that praise translated into actual sales? No. It hasn’t. Anyone remember the Palm Pre? Anyway, for the longest time we’ve been saying that the public should ignore Windows Phone until “Apollo” comes out, which we think will end up being called Windows Phone 8. It’s supposed to support high resolution screens, dual core processors, NFC, and integrate beautifully with the desktop version of Windows 8. Now every version of Windows Phone that has shipped thus far has been based on Windows Compact Edition, which is a subset of the Windows kernel that powers the full blown version of Windows that most PCs on the market run on. Rumor has it that “Apollo” is going to change that, that it’s going to use the same kernel that Windows 8 uses.

Where have we heard this before? Oh right, the iPhone, which is based on Apple’s Mac OS X operating system. Why would Microsoft want to pull the same stunt? Multiple reasons: Faster time to market, because more effort is being put on one larger internal project, the Windows kernel, instead of forking off Windows Compact Edition; Easier development, because the same tools that you use for Windows 8 could likely be used to develop for Windows Phone 8; Enterprise support, which is already baked into Windows, but not into Windows Phone; and the list goes on and on.

If Microsoft goes through with a kernel swap that would mean that developers would have to, in a worst case scenario, rewrite their apps. Most apps will just need a recompile. When will we find out about Microsoft’s decision? Mary-Jo Foley from All About Microsoft says we might hear something about this topic at Mobile World Congress next month. Looking back at what Microsoft did at last year’s show, where they revealed Mango almost 8 months before it hit the market, we think Foley might be onto something!

  • Anonymous

    “Let’s be honest, Windows Phone is boring.”

    And I’ll be honest, I lost interest in this smear of an “article” the moment I saw that.

    The title alone should have been reason to avoid reading this tripe.

    Epic Fail

  • Anonymous

    OK, everyone in “media” just quit your day job. The expert has spoken, and quite honestly too, the WP is “boring”. And that should be in end of the article. But wait! There’s more! blah, blah. Then out of the blue…… basically don’t buy a WP until “Windows 8″. I guess, without being said, Windows 8 will not be “boring”. And the rest of this rambling is based on “rumors”. I don’t understand the “heart translate” part. But hey, it made past spellcheck.

  • Anonymous

    what’s up with Reply?

  • Anonymous

    Did anybody not see this coming, total integration between phone, tablet and computer.  That is the main advantage that Microsoft will have over Apple and Android.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XAVHCQSNR3O6RJT3ZMMXL7UBRU Rou

      I like apple aint it grand, but all my work right in my hand, windows moble yes its true, it looks like tablet, server and client too. Windows8 wilol be a hit and apple can eat my stinky… mac n cheese…

  • Gregory C Newman

    I agree with jiscott777 Today’s smart phones are really handheld Computers and  they are getting more powerful every year. a man put  a full version of Windows 95 on one and it worked. it would be childs play to put a slimmed down version of Windows 8 on a smart phone if Microsoft pulls this off Right and I think they will Microsoft will have at last that Enterprise smart phone big business has been waiting for all these years and the regular Public Citizen will wont suffer ether
    because this smart phone will play PC games galore, and Windows office software to the max  and loads and loads of Microsoft apps that are already on the market. there’s an app that is going to be on most Windows 8 Tablets that run hundreds of thousands of Andriod Apps which means
    a Windows 8 tablet fresh out the store is a useful device with tons of games and ect and if can play PC games and Microsoft office apps alright. Man oh man it will be worth buying. It wont overcome the Ipad for some time to come but it does not have to. All it has to do is work well and have amazon apps and the Apps most People want and like to have on tablet and it will be a success because People will know that it is worth spending their money on to buy. 

  • Anonymous

    OK, everyone in “media” just quit your day job. The expert has spoken, and quite honestly too, the WP is “boring”. And that should be in end of the article. But wait! There’s more! blah, blah. Then out of the blue…… basically don’t buy a WP until “Windows 8″. I guess, without being said, Windows 8 will not be “boring”. And the rest of this rambling is based on “rumors”. I don’t understand the “heart translate” part. But hey, it made past spellcheck.

    12 hours ago >>>>>>> and obviously deleted!

    Oh now it is “transplant”! ~’-p“`

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XAVHCQSNR3O6RJT3ZMMXL7UBRU Rou

      Actually the minor update ( aka Tango) will hit phones wiht a free update perhaps say in March 2012 mybe March 18 when AT&T launches the Lumina… (If that date exists as well) Now imagine if the free upgrade path was Mango –> Tango –> 8 …
      Maybe there is a reason why Microsoft currently has  over 2400 different mobiloe OS versions of wach build…. Pjone make/model … Chipset.. Language… Hmm starting to add up yet?

      • Anonymous

        and your favorite beverage is methanol…..

  • http://twitter.com/esitesolutions eSite

    Yikes dude you are slightly mis-informed. Windows Phone is a brand new OS that was developed by Microsoft and is only about 2-3 years old hence why it is a bit behind iPhone that is much longer in the market. Trust me as a WP7 developer this phone’s OS is beyond brilliant! Not sure if you would know who Gartner is but their analysis place Windows Phone owning 15% of the market share by 2015. Windows 8 OS also a brand new OS and supports XAML which is the language for Windows Phone 7. So again as a Windows 8 developer as well it takes me a couple lines of code to make it work in Windows 8 for which we had the OS since the Build conference last year. Not to mention that with 1 single application my games developed for WP7 also runs on XBOX and will also run on Windows 8 thanks to a little thing called XNA.

    • Anonymous

      WP has only been on the market for a little over a year.  Rumors are not just a kernal change but also an API change to WinRT instead of silverlight. They are both based off of .Net so it won’t be much of a problem but MS will have to provide an API translation Similar to WOW 64 on windows 7.  This is probably true of the Next xbox so it is possible that by the time windows 9 comes out there will be NO difference between Xbox, PC, Tablet, and Phone as far as Apps are concerned.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XAVHCQSNR3O6RJT3ZMMXL7UBRU Rou

      Notice the dev monkeys that were on the mobile6 and pre-dev mobile 7 team are no longer west coast uhmmm situated and the Mango team was a brand new team? Hmmm… Ironic? I don’t think so….. ;)  7.5 was a complete build and 8 will blow your mind…  It I mean Apollo IS a rebuild with the Mango new mobile team…
      Ya know… A woman likes seamless panties, geeks like seamless systems… And panties…
      A world where everything we touch, use and do is fully integrated… Hmmmm., Imagine what that would be like… Hmmmm 

      Aint 8 great

  • Txwolf4u

    uhhhhhh, has anyone there/here but myself been using Windows 8? (Developer’s Preview) The O/S was DESIGNED for a tablet, or Windows phone. Anyone can tell by just looking at the Metro interface that it is a perfect fit for a tablet, or a phone on the go. As well as it is being test currently on Windows phone(s), as well as the long awaited Microsoft Courier tablet, and other brands of tablets computers of course.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XAVHCQSNR3O6RJT3ZMMXL7UBRU Rou

      Maybe Server8 which has been under the pre-beta build for Engineering Validation since early Fall 2011 in labs and production at select companies around the world.. Maybe its gui looks like Client8? Mobile8?  Hmm wonder what-if I googled  –  Server8 TAP  – and some companies participating had broken their NDA and posted Server8 screenshots already before said server8  public beta release … Hmmmmm

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XAVHCQSNR3O6RJT3ZMMXL7UBRU Rou

    Client8, Server8, Mobile8 .. Is it starting to fit together yet?
     WIndows8 will change the world.

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