AT&T on T-Mobile ‘4G’ Network: Lies, all lies!

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Last night, T-Mobile taught us the difference between 4G the technology, and “4G” the marketing term. The former actually means something in mobile technology, and is clearly defined by the International Telecommunications Union. The latter is the term you use when you need to entice more users to flock to your network by offering negligible broadband speed upgrades and calling it revolutionary and amazing. Since AT&T is the only network that has somewhat refrained from using the term, it’s calling out T-Mobile for its misleading ad campaign.

T-Mobile recently launched an aggressive ad campaign which labels its HSPA+ network “America’s Largest 4G Network.” When asked to define 4G, T-Mobile said that it is defined by the market – and the market has come to expect “fast data speeds” and better coverage. Oh, I didn’t realize that’s all it took. Maybe if I add a turbocharger to my car I can call it next year’s model.

AT&T responded:

“T-Mobile’s claims about 4G are based on the same HSPA+ technology we have deployed to 180 million people today, more than T-Mobile’s reported 140 million, and we’ll have it rolled out to 250 million people by the end of this month, substantially more than the 200 million T-Mobile says it will have by year-end.”

The nation’s fourth largest carrier, T-Mobile, claims that AT&T can’t call its HSPA+ technology 4G because its speeds are limited to 14.4Mbps, but AT&T says that isn’t true:

Additionally, AT&T says T-Mobile is wrong about its HSPA+ network speeds. T-Mobile claims AT&T’s HSPA+ network is limited to 14.4Mbps max downloads. AT&T says this is inaccurate, and its HSPA+ network today is capable of speeds up to 21Mbps. However, AT&T has only one device on its network, a laptop dongle, that is capable of hitting 21Mbps speeds.

It’s funny to sit around and watch these carriers attack each other when the entire premise of their arguments is wrong. HSPA+, WiMax and LTE are not 4G technologies. I don’t care if you’re getting 9Mbps on your G2 if you hold your phone upside while you spin around on the corner of your block, and you average 3-4Mbps elsewhere. Other countries offer 40-50Mbps real world speeds on LTE networks that make these petty marketing campaigns and attack ads look hilariously sad.

[Via: PhoneScoop]

  • Anonymous

    But LTE isn’t 4G either.

  • Tom

    as marc said, funny, very, very funny to watch. good on t-mobile to call at&t’s, sprint, and verizon’s marketing lies.

  • gebbeth

    We see, in action, the finest reason why monopolies don’t work. Viva competition!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Tafoya/100001188931742 Andrew Tafoya

    40-50mbps?!?! Well duh… Those speeds are achieved only because the size of the country. Coverage overseas is not at all as hard as it is to do, in comparison, in the US. They use the same technology, and we have the same phones; think of the amount of land it take a signal to reach California to New York; now, think of that signal going from point A to point B but in Japan. No matter were the point A and B are the country is super small, meaning less power and distants for the signals travel, FASTER! It is not like Japan can set shop in America and expect the same results. Plus Japan was a bad example, their phone market, against America belief, is horrible. Only Sony makes it out of that country and those phones suck. Samsung is Korean, Nokia is from Finland.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Tafoya/100001188931742 Andrew Tafoya

    Note on T-Mobile; many people have argued who the best carrier is. The facts come in numbers and not just word of mouth. People need to quit buying junk, so the big guys stop making it (Major Problem With APPLE). If iPaper existed and cost double, people would still buy it. It is perfectly fine to question a company; own their products by choice, don’t let them own you! T-Mobile, dispite common beliefs, is really quick for their speeds. I have seen and read more reviews that show T-Mobile coming out the top. It is cheaper, a more unlocked service, and way more handset are available (like overseas product which are more than likely better; but, anything not familiar to the US consumers are ultimately not sold in the US). T-Mobile is 4th in the market but often faster; cheaper, less controlling, yet people doubt on assumptions. And even more amusing; the 3g they offer works better then other supposed 4g carriers. CNET had a test where Verison and T-Mobile tied in speed, yet TMO was only connected to EDGE (probably due to Verizon’s bottle neck effect). And AT&T is to the phone industry; as Lars of Metallica is to the music industry. They both cry too much, and love putting restrictions on things to tell you what you can and cannot do; but forget about their own performance quality.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Tafoya/100001188931742 Andrew Tafoya

    Note on T-Mobile; many people have argued who the best carrier is. The facts come in numbers and not just word of mouth. People need to quit buying junk, so the big guys stop making it (Major Problem With APPLE). If iPaper existed and cost double, people would still buy it. It is perfectly fine to question a company; own their products by choice, don’t let them own you! T-Mobile, dispite common beliefs, is really quick for their speeds. I have seen and read more reviews that show T-Mobile coming out the top. It is cheaper, a more unlocked service, and way more handset are available (like overseas product which are more than likely better; but, anything not familiar to the US consumers are ultimately not sold in the US). T-Mobile is 4th in the market but often faster; cheaper, less controlling, yet people doubt on assumptions. And even more amusing; the 3g they offer works better then other supposed 4g carriers. CNET had a test where Verison and T-Mobile tied in speed, yet TMO was only connected to EDGE (probably due to Verizon’s bottle neck effect). And AT&T is to the phone industry; as Lars of Metallica is to the music industry. They both cry too much, and love putting restrictions on things to tell you what you can and cannot do; but forget about their own performance quality.

  • http://ddrobert.blogspot.com/ Robert

    it’s petty yes, but the real question that they should’ve asked the head of AT&T is, “What have you done to fix your own networks reliablity in the past 10 years?”
    Really what has AT&T done since aquiring Southern Bell Cellular and Cingular?
    verizon is still america’s most reliable network and at least Duetche telekom has made vast improvements in signal and speeds. He’s just pissed because even for as pety as 21MB may be, AT&T’s is still at 10MBps tops

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Tafoya/100001188931742 Andrew Tafoya

    Very true Robert. My T-Mobile 3g has improved to 7.2mbps. A manager at a local T-Mobile call center told me that T-Mobile had been working on 4g like speeds for almost a year; futhermore, 6 monthes ago the call center tested the speeds and were cranking the full claimed 21mbps. The speed is very impressive for the American market, ecspecially in camparison to our local Comcast Cable and Quest DSL speeds.

  • GABRIEL

    CHICAGO — 4G World — Everyone knows that AT&T Inc. (NYSE: T) is planning to move to Long Term Evolution (LTE) next year, but is the operator also planning a further upgrade of its 3G network in 2011?

    In his keynote here on Tuesday, David Haight, VP of business development at AT&T’s Emerging Devices Organization, said that if users roam off LTE, they would go to faster 3G in 2011. “The good news is that you’re going to fall back to HSPA+, so you’re falling back to 21 megabits, not 7.2 or 3.6,” Haight told the crowd. (See 4G World: AT&T Learns Lessons From iPad.)

    So far, AT&T has only said that it will deploy the earlier 14.4Mbit/s upgrade by the end of this year – 2010, revealing nothing about a 21Mbit/s upgrade in 2011. So we asked AT&T what the official word on this was.

    “HSPA+ technology has a theoretical maximum speed of 21Mbps,” a spokeswoman said, in an email reply to questions. “WE HAVE NOT BEGUN DEPLOYING THE TECHNOLOGY AT THIS TIME”,she said that ONLY this October – then now magically they have 21 hspa+??? (See AT&T Plots Widescale HSPA+ Rollout .)

    Nonetheless, if AT&T is interested in keeping up with GSM rival T-Mobile then HSPA+ is a logical progression. T-Mobile is currently rolling out a 21Mbit/s upgrade for 100 cities by year’s end; it currently has the speed boost running in 75 cities in the US.

    The average download speeds offered on 21Mbit/s HSPA+ are in the 5 to 8 Mbit/s range. (See T-Mobile’s HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds.)

    When we are in Austin,Texas for ANDROID FESTIVAL, TMobile executives said that 42Mbps hspa+ will be available by last week of January or 1st week of February-2011 then AT&T will start to deploy 21Mbps hspa+…

    I called a friend who is engineer in AT&T MOBILITY unit & he said to me that THEY STILL USE THE 7.2Mbps & SOME city with 14.4Mbps HSPA, NOT YET THE 21 HSPA+ (maybe next year around February-2011, he said)

    BEST LIAR OF ALL TIME & ALWAYS CRYING – AT&T…

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