Rumor: Today’s Windows Phones will not be upgradeable to Windows Phone 8, codename Apollo

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Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system is 15 months and 10 days old, and while it has failed to gain any meaningful traction in the smartphone market, one thing that we appreciate is Microsoft’s willingness to make sure that everyone’s device is up to date. In other words, if you picked up a Windows Phone on launch day then you’ve thus far received all the updates that the platform has received. Something tells us this will also be the case for Tango, the version of Windows Phone that’s slated to be shown off next month at Mobile World Congress, but what about Apollo? We know very little about Apollo, better known as Windows Phone 8, but we do know it’s supposed to be the version of Windows Phone that finally lets vendors build “superphones” that can compete with the likes of the Samsung Galaxy Nexus or Apple iPhone 4S. So the big question is will today’s Windows Phones be upgradeable to the next generation version of the operating system?

According to Eldar Murtazin, the answer is no. Last night we had a quick chat with the Editor in Chief of Mobile-Review on Twitter and he suggested that today’s Windows Phones will be left in the dust come September when Apollo is due to take the spotlight. Now yesterday we posted a story that said Windows Phone 8 will run Windows Phone 7.5 apps, but Microsoft wouldn’t say anything further about how developers will write apps for Apollo. Could Microsoft seriously be giving Windows Phone a heart transplant like we suggested last week?

If all of this is indeed true, then how are people who bought a Nokia Lumia 800 going to feel by the end of this year? Sure, it’s impossible to keep up with technology, but to go from being a flagship to being ignored in the span of 10 months seems kind of unreasonable.

[Image Credit: AllThingsD; it’s Joe Belfiore, Vice President of Windows Phone]

Update: Eldar’s tweet in Russian translates to: “I envy people bought the current leader, they do not realize that in September, will have a “flagship”. And the OS upgrade will not be any …”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4RM74335SYJR4JNHAJ2UNEMA4M MCTronix

    Let’s hope this is one rumor that turns out to be false.  If true, it would most likely anger the current supporters of the OS.  I was looking forward to getting my hands on a Lumia 900 but if this rumor is true, I would only have it for 6 months before it would be obsolete.  I’m not buying anything now until I verify that current phones will run Windows 8.

    • Anonymous

      Dont wait, go buy an iPhone or an Android, WP7 is dead and Microsoft knows it.

      • Anonymous

        Sure. Lets buy an Android phone so I’ll be stuck on Froyo/Gingerbread when Ice Cream Sandwich is already out.

        • Anonymous

          Or stick to WP7 running on 2008 hardware, built by a company about to go bust.

          WP7 has failed and this is more proof of Microsoft abandoning it.

          • nekowhizz

            Microsoft go bust… hahahahahahaha sorry I dumped my top of the range Xperia Arc after 10 months for a Nokia Lumia 800 because the Arc was slow… damn annoying to use!  Also Microsoft are making a shit load of patent money from every Android device sold, which amounts to billions, so even if they didn’t give two shits about the mobile phone market, they’d still be making a huge amount of money.  I don’t think anyone can see just how much they are about to converge everthing… laptops are going to have kinect built into them, and just how easy will it be for them to make a TV with windows and xbox built in… Windows is about to rule on every platform!

          • Anonymous

            damn pity you can read or understand grammer

            fool !

          • Anonymous

            Let me help you out:

            “Damn, pity you can’t read or understand grammar”

            Pot and kettle anyone?

          • Anonymous

            your rant made no sense ??????

      • quintus murray

        duh WP7 yes BUT WP is not dead it is 7.5 then later it will evolve into WP8

      • consuella gonzalez

        my cleaning ladies 12 year old son says you are full of shit, but I dont trust him,Its iphone 3 for me,thankyou

        • Anonymous

          ahhhh but you forgot, your cleaning ladies 12yr old son is mentally retarded.

          now quick run for the border !!!! i hear immigration officers kicking your door in !!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Most of what Eldar said turned out to be false.

      • Anonymous

        No he is right most of the time.

        Like recently he caught Nokia lying about Q4 Lumia sales, and they later admitted their Q4 sales figures included sales up to Jan 26th 2012.

        Have you any proof hes wrong, like can you post a Microsoft statement to the contrary ???

    • Emi Cyberschreiber

      when Eldar says something about Windows Phone… you shouldn’t believe it, simple as that.

      Eldar doesn’t know what he is talking about. just like last time Eldar said “wp7 apps will not be compatible with wp8″ when brandon watson tweeted it was a lie and current apps will be compatible. nokia is not so stupid, if they knew about it, they wouldnt make windows phones since they know something like Lumia 700/800/900 not being upgradable the same year they are out, would hurt their sales.

      Eldar hates Windows Phone, someone who hates something wont say anything good about it ;) and you shouldn’t really believe what he says.

    • quintus murray

      Dude don’t bother WP8 apollo allows SUPERPHONES to run WP yes phones that can compete with iphone 5 and Galaxy S3. Even if you do get current WP phones that can upgrade to apollo it’s pointless cause the upcoming apollo phones WILL make current phones on WP look like complete crap in comparison so just do your self a favor WAIT!!!! Even if the rumor is false the current WP devices aren’t worth buying now anyway one way or another they will be ancient in 6 months regardless if this fool is right or not.

  • http://twitter.com/Mohanad_Mohamad mohanad mohamad

    yes it is a rumor nothing more :) Today’s phones are up-gradable to Apollo Version of Windows Phone

    • http://twitter.com/NotRahmEmanuel NOT RahmEmanuel

      That’s an easy claim to make, especially since we have no evidence whatsoever from Microsoft (much less, from Nokia) beyond their say-so during the recent MIX keynote.

      Meanwhile, think back to what happened to Windows Mobile. MS dropped it like a bad habit, despite beating the “thousands of apps!” drum right up to their WP announcement.

    • Anonymous

      is Tango not the next update ???

      And will Apollo run on my ZTE Tania, it only has 2.5Gb Storage ????

      Can you post me links to back up your statement please.

  • http://twitter.com/NotRahmEmanuel NOT RahmEmanuel

    Thanks for sharing the tweets.

    Maybe this is just a temporary condition in their workflow. For all we know, MS are pushing hard to achieve full compatibility in WP8 and yet simultaneously — however grudgingly — admitting to problems, among themselves. Legacy code can drive you nuts.

    Of course, after MS’ perfunctory dead-ending of Windows Mobile it’s clear we can’t take anything for granted. But given their recent courting of 3rd-party devs, you can bet Microsoft will do whatever they can do avoid a similarly unfortunate fate for WP7.5.

  • http://twitter.com/NotRahmEmanuel NOT RahmEmanuel

    BTW: next movie that needs a guy to play Napoleon, they should ring up Belfiore. :)

  • Anonymous

    This is Why I do not recommend WP7 or Nokia to anyone.

    • Anonymous

      You should take your BS to the grave.

      • Anonymous

        Saying WP7 has failed is NOT BS, they only have 1.3% Market share, will will fall to 0.9% once the iPhone 5 and Galaxy S3 are released.

        Android and iPhone have kicked WP7 to the kerb. 

        WP7 is for kids, real people use iPhone or Android.

        • http://twitter.com/XCoNOMICRON Adam Buchmeyer

          You sir @wmp_surur:disqus should go back over to 4chan and rant about your biased opinions to them.  After reading some of your comments on multiple sites already, it sounds to me you clearly don’t understand Microsoft or how any of their products work.  I, being a wide respected developer of apps for MS and WP7, I can assure you that this article should not scare anyone away from WP.  Eldar has a reputation as much as a pea.  And anyone believing is most of the crap he says should go and slap themselves. 

          • Anonymous

            “I, being a wide respected developer of apps for MS and WP7″

            how wide and what crapps u deved ??

            pity the fool !

          • consuella gonzalez

            dear wimp_surur can you recommend a new phone for me? I was thinking about getting an iphone but some people say they are only for people who need to be hip but have no imagination, was thinking about a htc or samsung android one, but Ive heard they can be power hungry. My cleaning ladies son says a windows phone would suit me well, he programs in something called c++ ,but hes only 12 , and i suspect thats something that was written on his report card…what do you think,regards
            Hotsinglelady venice california 

          • Anonymous

            i think you need to get back over the border before immigration catch you

            but the iphone is the one you need.

            windows phones are for geeks and nerds, like 12year olds with thick rimmed spectacles.

        • quintus murray

          wrong WP7 is the sleeping giant right now in their current form they suck HOWEVER WP8 will be able to compete with the iphone 5 since it allows windows phone to run on superphones that don’t suck. WP is only a failure in it’s current form compared to the competition BUT wait till apollo then you will see the TRUE POWER OF WINDOWS PHONE!!!!!!!!!! Let the WP godphones arise!!!!!! However WP7 will die but evolve into WP8 to become a real contender.

          • Anonymous

            “BUT wait till apollo”

            First it was wait for WP7, than it was wait for Mango, then It was wait for Nokia Phones, Now it is wait for Apollo……………

            This is starting to sound like linux “year of the desktop”

    • Emi Cyberschreiber

      yeah because Eldar is always right… trooooooooooll you probably havent even touched a windows phone and less a nokia lumia in your life.

      and if you are silly enough to believe Eldar… then you should probably start learning a little… and know when a person lies.
      well… maybe you are Eldar i dont know, but you and him are against Windows Phone based on crap.

      • Anonymous

        Windows Phone has been a spectacular failure, $500m marketing budget and a $250 million bung to Nokia and only sold 800,000 handsets.

        Can you please give me PROOF that my ZTE Tania with 2.5Gb Storage will run Apollo buttery smooth ????

      • quintus murray

        No idiot cause the current nokias and WP phones SUCK compared to superphones do not even think about making up an excuse to defend em either any smart person knows nokia sucks for now that is however NOT cause eldar is right he isn’t even close. Nokia sold alot more than 800,000 handsets wmp_surur however. Cause it sucked less than the FAIL that was the N series

        • Anonymous

          @ quintis

          “Nokia sold alot more than 800,000 handsets wmp_surur however. Cause it sucked less than the FAIL that was the N series”

          MAX Lumia “sold” was 1.3 milliona and 50%+ was channel filling, the “failure” you call N9 actually OUTSOLD the lumia, selling as many as 2 million in Q4, despite Nokia only selling to to 2nd tier markets and missing big ones like the UK etc…..

          Lumia is the fail here…………

  • Anonymous

    Eldar Murtazin is full of crap.

    How many times does this guy have to be wrong to ignore?

  • Emi Cyberschreiber

    WOW seriously this is news??? with that stupid Eldar?? the same one that said no current apps would be winpho 8 compatible?

    seriously… you should stop listen to that guy full of crap because he really doesn’t know what he is talking about. yeah Brandon Watson answered him. so all i can say, its sad rumors start with some stupid person and his lies.

    you should UPDATE it with

    “Brandon:
    Was asked to dispute another Eldar claim. Groan. Sure, bring enumerated list, and let’s do them 1×1. He’s certainly earned my time. #sarcasm”;)

  • Anonymous

    Brandon Watson dispelled the rumor — again

    “Was asked to dispute another Eldar claim. Groan. Sure, bring enumerated list, and let’s do them 1×1. He’s certainly earned my time. #sarcasm”

    • Anonymous

      “Brandon Watson” is NOT an official Microsoft spokesperson, and may well be disciplined for these tweets if they go against Microsoft’s internal policies. Time will tell.

      • Anonymous

        He’s responsible for apps & developers. Which would make him an official spokesperson for this in terms of relevance. Go troll elsewhere you paedo.

        • Anonymous

          see my comment above…………..

          whos the troll now ?

          pity the fool !!!

          • Anonymous

            What comment above? Do you work for Microsoft? Then your comment holds no water.

            Stick to what you know, which isn’t much.

      • Anonymous

        Not sure if he was disciplined, if so it was kept quiet to keep Microsoft’s face.

        Don’t know how to break this to you, Brandon Watson has now joined amazon to work on android projects.

  • http://twitter.com/Zarniw0Op Philip Gould

    Um, Microsoft scotched this yesterday didn’t they? Gonna tweet this on @windowsphone so they can see this sort of stuff going round

  • http://twitter.com/Zarniw0Op Philip Gould

    Um, Microsoft scotched this yesterday didn’t they? Gonna tweet this on @windowsphone so they can see this sort of stuff going round

    • Anonymous

      No, Microsoft have not made an official statement.

  • Jay

    Why would any reputable site regurgitate Eldar’s ramblings?

  • Jay

    Why would any reputable site regurgitate Eldar’s ramblings?

  • Jay

    Why would any reputable site regurgitate Eldar’s ramblings?

    • Anonymous

      Eldar has been right more often than not….we shall see

      • Anonymous

        yes he has been proved right (again)

        Paul Thurrot – 40 min into the video

        Youtube this vid Windows Weekly #246: Helsinki Syndrome

        pld Eldar, you pwn again

    • Anonymous

      my neighbor’s step-mother’s base pay is $80/HR 0n the c0mputer .She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her paycheck was $7597 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more,

      • Anonymous

        http://zapit.nu/1od

  • quintus murray

    I don’t hate WP I simply hate the weak phones that run on it due to hardware restrictions

    • Anonymous

      That outperform dual core Android phones on most if not all standard tasks? Yeah, weak…

      • Anonymous

        they outperform nothing……….

        wp7 hardware is already outdated, so please stop making yourself look foolish.

        he is correct in his analysis

        • Anonymous

          And where is your evidence? All you’re good for
          is trolling and FUD. My HD7 would piss all over your bloated brick, and that’s apparently “outdated hardware”. Now do one.

          • Anonymous

            listen Jimmy son

            go look at need for speed hot pursuit running on WP7 and Android

            THEN come back and tell me who is pissing on who

    • Anonymous

      my neighbor’s step-mother’s base pay is $80/HR 0n the c0mputer .She has been out of work for 5 months but last month her paycheck was $7597 just working on the laptop for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more,

      • Anonymous

        http://zapit.nu/1od

  • quintus murray

    I don’t hate WP I simply hate the weak phones that run on it due to hardware restrictions

  • http://www.colecoadam.wordpress.com VintageComputerGuy

    1st generation Windows Phones are 15 months old, some a bit younger.  By the time Windows Phone 8 comes out, it will be time for a new hardware, so I’ll give up my Dell Venue Pro if I want all the goodies in Apollo.  However, I feel bad for the folks who picked up a Radar, Titan, Titan II or Nokia Lumias 710, 800, 900.  All relatively new hardware, but if this rumor is true, going to be stuck with WP 7.5

    • Anonymous

      Put it this way, if you were Nokia, would you put out a phone knowing it’s OS upgrade lifespan would be less than 12 months?

      • http://twitter.com/fogel35 fogel35

        They got 250 million from Microsoft so anything is possible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gregory-Newman/100001803717276 Gregory Newman

    I  am going to make a wild prediction which is that there will be 2  Windows smartphones the tango models for the low end market to sell very affordable smart phones and the Windows phone 8 smart phopnes which has all the bells and whistles. Nokia is likes to sell large volumes of phones to make a profit they cannot do that if they sell only Windows phone 8  high end  smart phones because they are simply too expensive for a lot of People to buy in developing countries.
    some Americans  keep saying I want super phones not old tech but DONOT understand that a lot of people are not rich or spoiled Americans who can spend over 500$ for a high end smart phone
    there has to be a breed of smart phones that WORK WELL but DONOT! cost a person an arm and a leg to buy that is why there will be windows Tango smart phones which will run well as fast as Windows mango smart phones which are useful and people love using them today. The windows 8 super smart  phones are OK but FOLKS  they are not for everyone get that through your heads.  

  • http://withwindows.com Ricky Shah

    I hope this is not true. The recent rumor debunks earlier rumors about Apollo OS not coming to old version or first generation of WP7. 

  • Anonymous

    eldar can suck a dick. he doesn’t know shit

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